but obviously you know, tax breaks for oil companies hedge fund carried interest. all of these loopholes that mitt romney said he was open to closing. they've got to be part of this discussion. and there are smart changes in terms of medicare savings which don't affect benefits and age of eligibility and all of that that can easily get dealt with and by the way the word "afghanistan" after 2014, if you close the door on combat troops with a measure, cbo will tell us that creates huge savings. this is so avoidable. it is just -- shocking. we're 20 days away. >> bill: so with sequestration, what are the options? can congress just cancel? >> they could. >> bill: we were just kidding? >> well, yes. what i would say is that when vice president biden negotiated the fiscal cliff and came and spoke to the caucus, he actually, at the time of the negotiations, said okay, we're passing a measure $700 billion in new revenue over the next ten years, let's turn off sequestration for a year or two and we could sort of finish it all off. the republican position was basically to tr